Second Amendment is ‘tyranny insurance’

It is never too cold to send rounds down range. Plus we do have an indoor range in town.

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Mad, have you been outside today? After working in that all day, the last thing I think of is shooting pop bottles, no matter the level of fun. Ammo is really expensive especially these days, so I tend to target shoot very little. And I'll take the full bottle of Coke, I drink that. But thanx for the invite.

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Wildthing, would you like to go shoot some tin cans or milk jugs with me sometime? Maybe we could even shoot some full 2 liter bottles of coke. I want to know what commie decided that pop should come in liters anyway. This is America, not some liberal place in Europe!

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To address your shaky curriculum knowledge, many of these classes are indeed elective, but since the list of accepted electives is somewhat short, an L.E. major will be taking classes on the constitution at some point, no getting around it. And if one is to enforce the law, why in the world would you not be a serious student of the supreme law of the land? What judges and lawyers spew forth are opinions, nothing more.

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Jeff, any cop worth his salt will flat-out refuse to trample anyone's consitutional rights, period. If they will simply function as goons for whatever regime, we don't want them, and we'll see to it they aren't around long.

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Jeff thinks wild thing is a liar liar smarty pants on fire

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Jeff, you sure know a lot of stuff.

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wildthing - how convenient, and your degrees are from... FYI: nearly all bachelor degree law enforcement programs MAY have ELECTIVES that you can take in various forms of law. The one law class that is REQUIRED is Criminal Law - a far cry from Constitutional Law. However, NONE of those law classes qualify you to practice law, or to interpret the law. That is for the courts, not for officers. I'm going to have to call you a big fat liar on this one.

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Not a problem Mad, they shall remain forever secret. I just got a little worried after what Jeff said, perhaps I had gone to the wrong class. And Phoenix might object to spelling his name wrong.

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I think wildthing and feenix are the same person. Wildthing has 35 degrees from "The U". The U of Feenix that is. DOn't worry Wildnix, I'm on your side, but please don't start bragging about all of your degrees.

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Wild thing should change his name to smarty pants

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Wanna bet Jeff? I have a double bachelor degree in law enforcement with a political science minor, a GPA of 3.95 to back it up. Without going into the whole resume, I believe you're in a losing battle going down this path.

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wildthing, you haven't a clue what is studied by law enforcement officials. Constitutional law is not a class in their curriculum.

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Blue, was that you going over the speed limit or the deputy? I usually witness the deputy doing it. WTF, you couldn't be more off track. Cops take many constitutional law classes, civil liberties, jurisprudence, and study certain key amendments exhaustively. In most cases it's to educate them what they as officers can or can't do, but they also take an oath to defend the constitution from all enemies foreign OR DOMESTIC. I'm glad some take that seriously.

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"But it's okay to ignore the Constitution, when it's convenient"

As it is written today, "the right to bear arms" is the law of the land. Until the liberals/ progressives/ democrats in Congress change that fact, Sheriffs of this nation have a duty to follow that law. No ifs, ands, or buts.

Get it changed to match your rose-colored glasses, but do it legally.

Secondly, I have looked at the bill Fienstien of California is trying to push through the Senate. I don't think the votes are there...

h t t p : / / w w w . feinstein . senate . gov / public / index . c f m / assault-weapons-ban-summary

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By the way an officer deciding not to pull you over for speeding is completely different than an officer deciding they won't enforce because they deem it to be unconstitutional. You see, the world is not black and white like so many people think it is.

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Blue- My point is that you want to uphold the Second Amendment because any gun control would be a violation of your rights and an attack on the Constitution. But it's okay to ignore the Constitution, when it's convenient, e.g. law enforcement acting as the judicial branch of the government. That reeks of hypocrisy.

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wildthing- law enforcement officials study and train to understand and enforce laws. Not to determine constitutionality of laws. That part is left to the courts, checks and balances.

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"but it's okay for a sheriff's department which laws they are or are not going to enforce"

I pass county deputies all the time on the road traveling over the 55 mph speed limit. YES, they do choose which law they are going to enforce, EVERY SINGLE DAY.

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WTF123456, I am saying that a County Sheriff has primary responsibility to the county residents that elected him.

It appears to me, from what little you posted about Sheriff Grayson Robinson, that he is afraid to take responsibility for his actions. That is no leader I would want as my sheriff.

Just can't get it through your head that there are people who believe in the people's rights and what the Constitution states.

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...do not have the credentials to determine constitutionality? Really? Then for what possible reason do cops spend countless hours (years) studying the constitution in school prior to becoming an officer, as well as continuing education on the subject? They spend as much time on the constitution as lawyers in most cases. They are our proud first line of defense against a government willing to trample rights. The Second Amendment is the final line of defense.

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Blue- Sheriff Grayson Robinson, who's deputies responded to the Aurora shooting said it best “Public safety professionals serving in the executive branch do not have the constitutional authority, responsibility, and in most cases, the credentials to determine the constitutionality of any issue,". So you're saying it's an attack on the Constitution for any new gun regulation, but it's okay for a sheriff's department which laws they are or are not going to enforce? Something smells fishy.....

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cont,

CNSNews**** previously reported that 28 of the 29 sheriff's in Utah sent a letter to President Obama stating that they will not enforce any new gun laws they believe to be unconstitutional.

A host of Oregon sheriffs have said that they will not comply with any new unconstitutional gun regulations.

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From CNS News:

Many law enforcement officials have written letters to President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden voicing their concerns over what they believe is an effort to infringe upon the Second Amendment.

In New Mexico, 30 of the state's 33 county sheriffs have reminded state lawmakers that they are under oath to support the U.S. Constitution, and that includes the Second Amendment.

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Such nastines. Try to be more civil with each other

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